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Single EDF F-22

Discussion in 'EDF Aircraft Plans' started by Jnida63, Apr 19, 2009.

  1. Jnida63

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    Starting to convert my F-22 over to an EDF platform, looking for ideas how to maybe make this better.
    I know it is only for a single EDF unit but i am cheap so it won't really be a scale F-22 Attached files [​IMG]
     
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    Some of us don't like the word "cheap" - We prefer to admit that we are "frugal". ;)
     
  3. kram242

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    LOL so true Dorsal :D

    Looks great so far Jnida63
    What are you plans for the intakes on the bottom? Are you going to Y them into one channel?
    Mark
     
  4. Jnida63

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    Ok, I make some changes, hopefully the air intake and exhaust will work, big at front smaller at the bottom.
    Oh, it will have a 2.25 inch fan unit with a 5000kv motor, hopefully should produce some thrust Attached files [​IMG]
     
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    Interesting looking plane. Kind of an F16/F18 hybrid. Hope it works out.
     
  6. kram242

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    How much thrust do you think you can get with your set up? The reason I ask is because I am new to the whole ducted fan area, and although I have tried I never could get one of my own designs to fly with a ducted fan. They were always to heavy. My designs are around 17oz in weight.
    Mark
     
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    Funny you should ask about the thrust because i have no idea.
    I am also totally new to EDF's myself.
    I got the Hyperflow unit from somewhere in some deal and just decided to goof off playing with one.
    I guess just trying it will be the only way for me :shock:
    The worst that can happen is that I will lose $2 worth of foam :lol:
     
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    I know the feeling that is the way I accomplish most things in life :)
    Looking forward to your results, we both will be learning on this one.
    Mark
     
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    Jnida63

    I have had good luck just using the EDF with no ducting. Might be a option to save some weight. You could just cut it in. Kinda like this viewtopic.php?f=36&t=572
    Or mabey just sitting on the top. I did that to a swift II wing and it was a blast to fly :D
    Cheers
    E-T
     
  10. Jnida63

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    Ok, it is cut but there is going to be a modification to the front intake tube so a battery can be installed.
    5 ounces so far WITH EDF unit, less servos, receiver and battery.
    I was just going to mount it on top with no ductwork but I just have to fidget or i'm not happy :shock: Attached files [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Hey that is looking great! I think it looks better then the model did, but that happens a lot :D
    Keep up the good work
    Let us know how she maidens
    Mark
     
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    Hopefully it will quit raining long enough to try her out this weekend :cool:
     
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    That looks real good. Def. better than the model showed. G/L with the maiden this weekend.


    Cheers
    E-T
     
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    Looks good.. In my ducted fan models the ducting is normally pretty uniform throught it's length... This appears to have more of a taper... should be interesting

    Looking forward to it's maiden :D

    Happy Hunting
    Prosnias
     
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    Looks good.
    I'd like to suggest less taper at the back end. Or fly it like that then play with the taper.
    It looks like it might restrict it a bit.
     
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    What are your thoughts on the taper? I really am new to this and if I were making this I would think that you would want a taper to increase the airflow? am I wrong?
    Thanks
    Mark
     
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    Everything I read said to have a noticable taper at the rear, so I will try that route first, then open it up if it warrants it.
    This is a total learning experience for me also, I am just winging it so to speak :cool:
     
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    I don't know the whole ins and outs about ducting, but a buddy of mine at our field has been doing alot with them. He found he got alot better performance with a slight taper rather than a steep taper. Looking at my tigershark delta, it has a taper but its not much.
    The guys on Rcgroups in the edf area know alot more about this stuff.
    I think the idea is to compress the air but not too much to where it is inefficient.
     
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    I don't have any practical EDF experience, but from reading about them I think that the exhaust should be between 80-100% of FSW (Fan Swept Area=intake area of the fan) and that the bigger exhaust (100%) will give more thrust and the smaller (80% gives more speed).
    This is all theoretical knowledge so regard it only as such!

    edit: Found this thread over at RCGroups regarding fan ducting
     
  20. Jnida63

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    Well, too dang windy to try to fly it but it is heavy with full gear, 20 ounces (ouch)
    It may fly but will prob be a turd

    ****EDIT****
    Weight comes in at 12 ounces, helps to put new batteries in the scale every once in a while :lol:
    Now I am expecting a rather spirited flight.
    I put my scale at the end of the nozzle path and it is blowing the scale down 13 or so ounces, blew half the crap off my workbench!!!!

    Oh, i did cut the nozzle back to open up the back, had tons of pressure but no real volume choked down so small.
    If it works I will redo the changes and post the files along with the gear I am using, maybe someone will have a video camera at the field for some fun video (I hope).
     
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    Here is a render of the hopefully finished design

    Attached files [​IMG]
     
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    If you taper like that you will increase the airflow but lose thrust so it'll fly fast once up to speed....

    It will fly fast but will not stand on its tail. Acceleration will be modest but at least it is light.
     
  23. Jnida63

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    It has very little taper from the EDF unit back. Around a 10% taper, not much at all
     
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    Attached files [​IMG]
     
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    Hey Jeff,
    That taper looks alot better than what you originally had. I'm sure it will fly nice.
     

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